Please allow me to explain the flood of invalid arguments submitted and what constitutes a valid argument.

In all prophetic argument: there can never be resolve so long as new statements are submitted without the proving that the original statement is in error; A new statement though brought with scripture does not prove the original statement in error. Choose any one of the seven statements from the following statements: If you can prove any one of these statements to be in error, using scripture, show clearly and without doubt the statement is inaccurate, prove it is wrong by a correct argument.

Instead of providing an argument that cast the slightest doubt about the original statement, they submit an argument that supports a completely different statement altogether; completely ignoring that if the original statement is true their statement-regardless of what it is, can not possibly be true if it supports an opposite conclusion providing the original statement (which has not been proven in error) is true.

Additional statements not directly proving the original statement in error, opinions, beliefs or incorrect argument will not be accepted: that is, you must show the statement and it’s argument to be in error, “what the error is” and “what the truth” of the scripture is. That is; what makes the statement “impossible”.

The following is an example of flawed reasoning: that you might understand that submitting other statements which do not directly refute (make impossible) the current statements do not under any circumstances prove these statements in error:

Example Statement:

“The the company letter say’s my new job will start in May when the company opens”

Instead of proving the statement wrong they say,

“the company is completely ready to open its doors tomorrow, and by the looks of it they will open in April as planned”

The reason the point is lost in obscurity is because instead of making a valid argument to the original statement from the letter, an arguments for a completely different statement is made; (that the company is ready) regardless of how true those statement may be, they can not possibly occur if the first statement is accurate.

An example of a true argument is:

Yes the letter is true, but look at the address; it is talking about a different company address other than the company address you plan to start working for.

You see how a valid argument “makes impossible” (invalid) the original statement unless some other information is given about the original statement, “like” No, I’m actually scheduled to start at the address on the letter.

If neither uses the company letter to foundation their arguments, then both side will submit arguments including possible facts that are irrelevant to the point.

Without any further ado, The Statements–

1. Statement: Those that are “in Christ” are Christians.

Scripture: I Thess. 2:14, Heb. 3:14, for we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast unto the end. I John 2:5, but whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

Argument: Those that are followers, imitators , obey Christ, walk not in the flesh, and keep the beginning of their confidence steadfast  unto the end, are said to be “in Christ”.

2. Statement: “we which are alive” in Christ “and the dead in Christ” are Christians and are the “elect” of God.

Scripture: I Thess. 4:16-17, Rev. 17:14, I Pet. 1:2

Argument: The dead in Christ shall rise first, then we which are alive and remain….”all in Christ are Christians”. All in Christ are called, chosen, elect: I Pet. 1:2, “Elect” according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Rev. 17:14  These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen (elect), and faithful.

3. Statement: Those dead in Christ “and” those which remain in Christ shall be caught up “together”.

Scripture: I Thess:4:17

Argument: Though the dead rise first both dead and alive remaining Christians shall be caught up together to meet the Lord in the air.

4. Statement: The “day of the Lord”, I Thess. 5:2,  is the “same day” Christians meet Christ in the air “and” the “same day” the man of Sin is destroyed (Wicked one consumed).

Scripture: II Thess. 2:3-8 II, I Thess. 5:2, I Thess. 4:17

Argument: The day of the Lord is “that day” when Christ Jesus descends with a shout, when the dead and alive in Christ are caught up to meet him in the air together; after the falling away, and at the “same day the man of sin (Satan, dragon of second world system ‘beast’, devil in the flesh) is bound, destroyed, kingdom subdued.

That day; what day? : the day of the Lord, I Thess. 5:2, the day the Christians are caught up in air with Christ,  shall not come except:

-there come a “falling away” first,

-that man of Sin “be revealed”,

the Lord shall consume that Wicked (man of sin) at his coming, (see also- angel-bound dragon-Devil Rev. 20:1-2) and “Christians” (those in Christ) are caught up to meet the Lord in the air, that “same day“, the day of the Lord.

Paul tells the Thessalonian’s not to be deceived, the day of the Lord-the day they will be caught up with him to meet in the air; is the same day that man of Sin-the dragon(devil) of the second world system (beast) is bound (destroyed). II Thess. 2:8, see verse 2, “day of Lord”, and verse 8, that Wicked one consumed at the coming of the Lord. Rev.19:20-21 the beast (world system) the dragon of it (it’s leaders), and all that receive the mark and the remnant are destroyed at Christ coming.

5. Statement: The “mark” of Rev 13:16-17,  is strictly associated with the second end time world system of  the man of sin. He that exalts himself above God, II Thess. 2:4. The dragon, (devil in the flesh)  is the leader of the beast (a world kingdom) Rev: 13:11-17; which is bound (leadership influence destroyed) at Christ coming Rev. 20:1-2, when Christians meet in the air upon the day of the Lord when he descends with a shout, I Thess.4:16-17

“AND” a time of great tribulation will come upon all the world, on the man of sin “revealed in his time”, II Thess. 2:6, while the elect  “Christians” are in the “flesh” Matt. 24:21-24, and in the “world”, and shall see “great signs and wonders” of false Christ-Rev. 13:13-14, dragon has power to do miracles in the sight of all that dwell on the earth; “and while” those in Christ that refused the mark slain of the beast (world system) are before the throne of God, Rev. 15:2 slain Christians which refused the “mark”witness the tribulation angels line up to pour out plagues of tribulation “on second end time world system which enforced the “mark” and killed saints.

Scripture: II Thess. 2:8, Rev. 13:15, Rev. 15:2

Argument: the dragon-man of Sin-devil (man)-which is destroyed (bound) at Christ coming; forces all people of the world to receive a “mark”; a form of identification in hand (as in to make use of finger print) and forehead, (as in to make use of eyes in forehead) Rev. 13:16. Some of the “Christians” which refuse the mark are slain and before the throne of God; they witness the tribulation Rev. 15:2. The man of Sin has the same description as the Vile king of Dan. 11: 36, which magnifies himself: those that know their God of Dan. 11:32 fall by the sword of the Vile king, and are lead into captivity—rejecting the forced compliance of that king. The Vile king has the same description of the king of Fierce Countenance, which magnifies himself wonderfully and destroys the holy people and stands up against the Prince of peace (Christ) and is broken Dan. 8:23-25. This description is the same of the dragon of the second beast (world system) Rev. 13:11, which forces all people to receive a mark and kills those that refuse the mark (make war with the Lamb); and is destroy at Christ coming. Rev 15:2 The tribulation angels pour out plagues on second end time world system. Tribulation ended for sake of elect “Christians” this “same” generation in which the tribulation ends “shall not pass” until “they” see Jesus coming in the clouds seen from east to west at which time he “gathers his “elect” “Christians” from the four winds (four hemispheres of the earth) to meet in the air,  second world system destroyed same day.

6. Statement: Christians will continue until the coming of Christ, at which time they will meet Christ in the air “and” the man of Sin is destroyed…… all in the “day” of the Lord’s coming (same day). Therefore Christians (Gal. 3:16 THE ISRAEL OF GOD) are sealed (protected) of God before and during the great tribulation.

Scripture: Rev. 7:3

Argument: One day is as a thousand years, a thousand years as one day: thousand  is an “indefinite” period of time or amount. Twelve in scripture signifies a congregation: Israel in prophetic terms as used in Rev. 7 is figurative (see Gal. 3:16 the Israel of God) and signifies the Israel of God, “the church”, protected during the tribulation, (And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise Gal. 3:29). Therefore the tribes of Rev. 7 are figurative for the twelve families of God’s people in congregations of twelve (Eph2:19 household ‘families’ of God). Therefore twelve congregations of a thousand (indefinite amount) are sealed from all twelve “figurative” tribes; out of figurative Israel: the Israel of God’s people, the saints, the church, Christians: sealed protected of God during the tribulation poured out on the man of sin, dragon, devil’s (man)  kingdom (beast).

7. Statement: The “Christians” the dead raised and the alive remaining caught up together, meet the Lord in the air shall be with the Lamb (Jesus Christ) when he comes and overcomes the kingdoms of the world, and shall judge the world, and reign with Christ for an indefinite period of time (thousand years).

Scripture: I Cor. 6:2, Rev. 20:4,   Rev. 17:14 “and they that are with “HIM” (when he overcomes)

Argument: Not only will Christians be caught up with Christ, but they will return in victory with him to judge the world and reign with him. Rev. 20:4 Christians which receive not the “mark” and were “beheaded” (slain) “lived and reign with Christ”: the dead which was raised first (the first resurrection) which met together with remaining alive Christians are now “together” and reigning with Christ in his kingdom, and it shall stand for ever (continually) on earth until the earth is destroyed. For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast unto the end.

I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

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Red Dragon-Satan (tail*) sent out a flood*-laws, false prophecies, organizational beliefs pastors are not allowed to oppose-apathy-poison into the waters of the well*. Beast-world government system/s-Babylon-of seven-ness-(“head”-perfect+leadership) are prophesied of-promised of God, and shall make war-oppose Christ: the Israel-(woman*)-Kingdom of God-Christians-saints, “and” all that dwell upon the earth-non-Christians, shall be overcome literally by horn/s-army/s (ten-complete+power) made to worship-”comply” in citizenship, as only means of creating income. Blessed-are the dead which die (slain-lit.) in the Lord: the Devil shall cast you into prison ten (complete) days-(the) faith completely tested-hated of all nations: “these are they” which received not the Mark-participation with and through citizenship-allegiance to-obligated-loyalty-whoredom-idolatry-fear-on knees* bow-comply to; or by their hand or eyes in* forehead-identified by (into) an economy that opposes Christ in order to survive-trusting in worldly mammon-image (to do business): “these are they” which have come out of Great Tribulation (GT)-which is: shortened (ended) for the “elect“, sealed-of God (protected) “during“, and “after“(GT) things “come to pass” “nigh“ “this” (same) generation see Christ come; dead rise, saints alive caught up-elect from four winds gathered-meet in air; the dragon of second beast (end times)-Devil in the flesh is bound; Christ reigns, all fulfilled. Nicolaitans-conquering people-“prevailing ideas“-saints choose the instrumental cause of “Falling Away“-God’s people obey a compromised gospel-accursed-naked*-citizenship shipwrecked faith-fail of the grace of God-reprobates, first~Christ coming; as unto that man of sin-Devil in the flesh, revealed in “his time“. Fall Aways “went out” antichrist-oppose Christ, blotted out-condemned*. Reign with Christ-virgins(fig.)-love not their lives unto death-have not kissed*-confess Christ literally in flesh-refusing covenant unto (citizenship*) a world system opposed to Christ versus confess Christ figuratively in flesh-show of faithfulness to Christ in works-fake-vain-yield (slaves) to sin-great city-a world system,( Come Out !~denying Christ)-Blasphemy-spoken in actions (as marry a whoring* vile-into adultery fig./lit.) (leaven) causes** God’s people (fruit)-mirror unto offense-apostasy-(saints fall down ‘drunk’ Baal wine*)-to sever-cut-spirit-(ghost of)-take “breath“out of God’s children**-abortion(fig.)-Molech from Christ~mill stone*-unforgivable-cup-wrath-fire. Bride-God unashamed of-water washed-unspotted-virgins-adorned-beloved-no guile-unblemished-crowned-new life-name-joy,river, drink eternal ecstasy, forever

Understanding the precise order of these events and the exact figurative language used to illustrate these events “are life and death” to the people of God. But what if you don’t Warn (but his blood will I require at thine hand) God’s people from falling away into citizenship with a soon and sudden, “promised of God”, literal world system opposed to Christ? Get the big picture:

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Under world powers with armies to come: Christians that oppose Christ shall live, yet they shall die apart from Christ, Christians that do not oppose Christ shall die, yet they shall live with Christ.